Why is it suddenly 'beyond the pale' for empty freighters to be ganked?

First, if I was going to lose a freighter - I'd hope it was empty.

Second, do carebears really think there exists some kind of ''unspoken" rule that empty freighters should not be ganked? And if they are ganked - it requires CCP take action?

You get a killmail with 10-digits on it What more do you need?

Since when is "because I can" not good enough in a sandbox game?

Freighters are allowed to die, you realize.

Out of curiosity, if it's a legal action in game, why would "the real reason" matter at all?

^PvP

PvP.

Most of them that are actually attempting to avoid PvP manage to do so.

That has nothing to do with it. It doesn't matter what my intent is, so long as the in game action is permitted by the game's rules.

BZZZ. Thanks for playing.

Griefing is a EULA violation. Thats in EULA.
Ganking is not griefing. That's CCP.

Victims may feel 'griefed', but angry idiots believing something doesn't make it fact.

Thought experiment for you:
There's obviously no ISK in ganking miners either.
Yet miners have been ganked for sport for ages.
And the gankers are mysteriously not banned. (I, or my alts would be banned thousands of times over if this was true)

What does that tell you about your theory that 'ganking without a profit motive = EULA violation'?

Actually, I already explained this to you.
And yet, and yet......

The one question that really comes to mind is this:

The arguments for code permits for mining barges and freighters apply to virtually any ship in hisec, indies, mission ships the lot.


Soooooooooooo .... why restrict permits to barges and freighters ... why doesn't New Order just put a permit requirement on everything ?

Yeah, people do "have to put up with such behavior" when they play EVE. Ganking, piracy, all of this is nothing new, and has been around since launch. Corporations and alliances that center around these activities are also nothing new, and have been with us for many, many years.

The "difference" you are probably noticing is that we at the New Order have a great PR department, a lot of fun, and have frankly taken the art of the high-sec suicide gank and totally perfected it.

It also gets people amazingly riled up.

The problem is that -10 characters or other low sec status characters can operate ships and attack people in high security space.

Kids in the playground don't get the right to kill the bully, sell the right to kill the bully, or buy spaceships with guns to kill that bully themselves

With all the tools that you and every other player have at their disposal, if you can't defend what you have, you don't deserve to keep it.

Have you looked at the fits used by suicide gankers? With all skills V a 10 million isk 600+DPS suicide Catalyst has around 3000 EHP. If you sneeze on them they explode, they can be killed with newb ships ffs.

That indicates that CCP doesn't want to share sub numbers. Nothing more.

While I do not know what his (or CODE's) motivations are, I do know from experience:
When carebears take catastrophic losses in highsec, there is a chance they'll quit EVE forever.

That's how I measure success.
Nasty carebears unsubscribing and F'ing off forever, preferably in a shower of rage and tears.
Less carebears = less whining/lobbying for an EVE Theme Park in highsec and depraved ranting in local.

While I'm personally no fan of Wilkus, he's still right.
Not all customers are wanted or good customers.
If this is beyond your grasp, so be it.

Uh, we are their customers

We pay subs like anyone, and we buy PLEX to go on the market for others to buy

It doesnt give anyone the right to call us the things we have been called, or the vitriol in regards to the deaths of players, family members, getting cancer, other diseases or "if I met you in RL..." threats

And CCP decided that given subs are still on the rise, and the sandbox nature of the game,

"CURRENT CORPORATION
School of Applied Knowledge [SAK] from 2014.05.27 22:44 to this day"

Tell me more about the good old days of last month

We have no reason to believe the claims of an NPC posting on the forums.

3) Why don't you post with your main, if you are so wise and aged? Got something to hide?

Well, we all know your last Spectral Tiger went the way of the biomass with nothing to show for it. Sin Talon appears to be no different. According to EVE-Who, he lasted a whopping three years, just seven shy from that which you claimed to have played, and again, very little to show for those three years.

Six Six Six never existed, unless you're talking about an old corporation with a single member EVER by the name of LoveShine who appears to be rather bad at EVE for a 2008 sub.

Forum Guy is irrelevant....

And your 'load of others' are also irrelevant if you don't reveal them. So far, the earliest we can give you is 2007 on Sin Talon, assuming you're telling the truth. Given the massive gaps between those characters, and assuming the breaks you claim, and the time of those characters spent in NPC corps, I'd put your actual play time and experience as less than even my own.

Six Six Six never existed,

[quote=Spectral Tiger]


So like any other regular carebear, what you're doing is expecting EVE to be like every other MMO that you play. It isn't, and will never be.

I love how every time that someone says that there are less players online or fewer subs than x years ago, they always fail to back it up

Um, horseshit. You're crying about ganking, which only effects people in highsec.

So your doubletalk won't fly.

A number of questions this raises #YodaVoice

Why is the 'carebear' putting in 40 hours grinding in a game? I suspect RMT because that sounds like a job.

Why does said carebear put all his eggs in one explode-able basket? Does he not know he's playing EVE Online?

And lastly, why does our good carebear friend not understand that the amout of hours one puts into EVE online mean nothing, and that 1 ship exploding to 10 is basically 'death by natural causes' in EVE online and has been since 2003?

Seems like 'carebear' is a synonym for both 'irresponsible' and 'reckless'.

That.......explains way more about you than you think it does.

14 years is hardly extreme when it comes to this nerd sport we call video games

And James 315 said to his agents:

GÇ£The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the selfishness and greed of evil carebears. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds a new player through the wickedness of hisec and teaches him the Code, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of a lost child. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy the Code. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."